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November 30, 2010


Aaron Bartell

Was on a phone call with IBM today and brought this up to people that can do something about it. Stay tuned.

Aaron Bartell

I am curious to know if anybody else has wanted to use RPG Open Access but haven't because of the availability or price.

Maybe IBM is trying to create more demand like how Apple only makes a certain amount of iPads when they first came out ;-)

Christopher Burns, Sr.

I tend to agree. There's a stigma associated with having to order a separate chargeable licensed program when it comes to most mom and pop shops (whom just happen to comprise a big chunk of the System i population). That makes it especially difficult for business partners like us to get traction or even practical experience with OA. Bundling OA with SS1, even if it means a nominal bump in the WDS license fee, would elminate that sigma and remove the biggest barrier - because the software would already be there.

Jon Paris

@Aaron "I am curious to know if anybody else has wanted to use RPG Open Access but haven't because of the availability or price."

I wish I knew Aaron. I don't think price as such is a huge issue - other than the fact that people don't understand why they should be paying for it at all. Availability is the problem.

When I present the topic at User Group meetings etc. an otherwise enthusiastic group has the spark in their eyes grow dim when they realize that they have to persuade their management to order something before they can even try it. Up until that point they are quite enthusiastic. As I noted in the blog - it is time for a few senior IBM/Rational people to try to order their own products so they know what real people have to deal with.

In many smaller shops it is invariably one or two enthusiastic programmers experimenting with something that provides the evidence needed by management to invest more time/money in it. That just can't happen with OA the way it is right now, and that's sad.

I've also taken note of the fact that I'm about the only person (outside of the tool vendors) who has published anything on OA. And frankly I'm not going to write any more unless there's some sign that Rational are going to address these issues. When I write technical articles I want people to be able to try the stuff out for themselves - if they can't do that what's the point?

The last article I wrote on converting printer reports to web should have resulted in a significant number of emails - just as the original (much less capable) versions that relied on straight CGI/CGIDEV2 did a couple of years back. But nothing - not a peep. Even though this version is easier, much more capable, and requires little or no change to the original source code. It _should_ have raised a lot of interest. But people just won't "play" if that requires that they have to fight IBM's systems to order product before they can even begin.

Ron Adams

Tried the same link to buy this product on 12/03/2010 at 11am, I got the same error you did.

Aaron Bartell


That's the exact same reason I am not developing any articles around it. I owe it to the entity I write for (i.e. to release stuff that is tangibly relevant to their readers. In the case of RPGOA it is definitely relevant, but not tangible (i.e. can't get their hands on it). If I wrote about it now, people would become as jaded as I because of fruitless ordering efforts.

I told IBM that if they can't make it order-able via shopping cart and credit card, then don't even both trying to sell it because they aren't making a dime with their lengthy internal paper trail order process.

I really hope they can fix this because it is ONE OF THE ONLY relative UI modernization efforts RPG has ever received from IBM that didn't include a slew of other requirements (i.e. languages and/or app servers).

One last rant. IBM knows about this blog particular blog entry and the "View US prices and Buy" button is STILL going to an erroneous page. Embarrassing to say the least, not to mention the fact that it is wasting the good work of internal IBM'ers and their excellent/hard work on the tooling.

Its not the lack of superior technology that will be IBM's demise - it's their lack of being able to move quickly and differently to meet the new way of doing business in IT.

Curtis Barron

This thread reminded me of perhaps the ultimate example of the value of an executive trying to buy his own products:

I'll bet Bill got some action.

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